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This is me procrastinating - I started a DW account. Plus, snowpuppies is an awesome writer...

1) I started a DW account - basically because I wanted to read snowpuppies' fics, and now I'm wondering - me, two journals, and ADD-ish-ness.  A potentially bad idea? (Especially given that I still have almost 200 replies from other people on my LJ that I still haven't responded to.)  Is there any point in reposting the metas I've done here, as a lot of your with DW journals do?  I guess I'll have to see what I can handle, brain-wise. 


[Yes snowpuppies is freakin' awesome - and here's the proof:]2) Speaking o snowpuppies', her short fics  "Fractured" and "Innocence (The Remix)" are two of my favorite stories in this fandom.  Pretty much everything she writes is awesome "Lilies" was one of the two inspirations for my own fic "Untitled (post-The Gift)", but those are my two favorites of her stories. Both AU stories spinning off from different points in the series - but totally plausible in context, thanks to VIVID and well-observed characterization. So much angst I can cut it with a knife, and disturbing imagery.  And neither one is kind to Angel.  (Which is probably not a problem with most of my flist.  Just sayin'.)

"Fractured", AU from "Bargaining" reads almost like a horror movie at first  (what if Buffy came back really wrong?) which is fitting, since the concept of Buffy was originally about playing with horror movie tropes. "Innocence" is exactly what it sounds like, a revisioning of the episode of the same name. It includes graphic sex and dubious consent - which I normally don't care for in fanfics -  but this is not porn. It's disturbing and uncomfortable and traumatic for the characters and it's SUPPOSED to be.  This isn't about the reader getting off on a character being humiliated, which is something that makes me extremely uncomfortable. There's no comfort to this hurt. Both function, in my head at least, as meta commentary on both the show and on fanfic tropes: Buffy as victim, the tendancy of the men in Buffy's life to try to control her because they "know what's best for her", the destructiveness of Buffy/Angel, as well as Buffy/Angelus.

And, "Fractured" is compassionate towards Angel without letting him off the hook for his flaws, his myopia; and I actually felt sorry for him - and for everyone who becomes a victim of his well-meaning intentions in this story. Quite the feat.
I'm also supposed to make a DW account and I always procastinate. I'm not so good with all the journals, I barely manage to have one!
I love compassionate ficwriters. I always hope to be compassionate myself, to write about Angel or Buffy or Spike properly without judging them or being too much on a single character's side. I like to explore Angel's ambiguities without portray him as "the big alpha man" or the "greatest leader of all". He's just a manpire with flaws and good stuff too.
I love compassionate ficwriters. I always hope to be compassionate myself, to write about Angel or Buffy or Spike properly without judging them or being too much on a single character's side.

Exactly. For me, even writing meta is a way to try to be more understanding of all the characters, even if I don't like the the character.

I like to explore Angel's ambiguities without portray him as "the big alpha man" or the "greatest leader of all". He's just a manpire with flaws and good stuff too.

*lol* A lot of my understanding of Angel as a character actually comes from reading fanfic.

I sometimes wonder if the comics aren't on some level, meant as a parody of fanfic tropes? The more I read fanfic, the more I "get" the comics - and not in a good way. Particularly when it comes to tropes regarding sex, romance and relationships. Which was something he did throughout the tv show, but in the comics it's became very ugly, like putting a thumb in the fans' eyes. (Yes, there will be meta on this - if I dare go there, and I'm not sure I should.)
About fanfics and comics: interesting thought and, yes, I can see what you're saying! I just hope that isn't just about mocking fanfics tropes. I wish to read also a decent story.
I just hope that isn't just about mocking fanfics tropes.

Sadly enough, I think it is now that I've read a bit of fanfic. (That spacefrak? Isn't that just a variation on "Buffy and (whomever) save the world by having sex?" In this case, Buffy and Angel "Create a universe by having sex".) And so on. And some of those tropes are ones that I don't like myself - but mocking fans, mocking the people who made you rich is another story altogether.

I can agree with gabrielleabelle that Bangel was originally intended as subversive; and even in S3 there are clues of that, even if the marketing plays it straight (and so did SMG and DB at the time). For instance, Helpless: Buffy "That's sweet - or incredibly gross."
Angel: "I was just thinking the same thing."

there are a lot of tropes in fanfic I dislike, such as over-romanticizing a relationship, or graphic sex, but I just walk away; those are someone's fantasies, and apparently very popular. But if you're going to critique those tropes, you can't do so I think without an understanding of why they are so popular. (And why are "female fantasies" less legitimate than "male fantasies" of being ubermensch comic book heros who reek of fascist imagery, and blowing stuff up?)
I also think that Bangel was intended as subversive but some people took it very seriously and the marketing was all about romance. But now I wish to see a good story without any marketing stuff. Now Whedon can do it, there are no excuses. No more space frak and fascist imagery, please! I'm still hoping for Season Nine. Gah.
My understanding is that he's not very involved with this season, but I don't know that Whedon can do it anymore. After all, I read an interview where he said he LOVED the whole giant-Dawn/mecha-Dawn thing. He doesn't seem to be interested and he has other things to do, other stories to tell - fine, go tell them. And let those who are interested in the characters tell their stories, if you must. (But, hey, isn't that what fanfic is all about? And I can get all the good - and bad - fanfic I want for free on the internet.)

He was producer of S8 (and S9), he put his name to this stuff, so either he's responsible for it, or he isn't - which is it?

And there are so many anti-feminist (and anti-fandom) elements of the comics that I can't reconcile them with his stated philosophies.
I know! But, for now, I'm really hoping for the best. I want to give a chance to this comics. Again. >*
I sometimes wonder if the comics aren't on some level, meant as a parody of fanfic tropes?

Either a conscious parody of fanfic and comic book cliches, or an unconscious rehash of same, I'd say. I kept thinking the whole way through that this is exactly the same thing I did the first time I tried writing fanfic: I started off with a vague idea of where I wanted it to end up, no idea on how to get there, threw absolutely every cool thing I could think of in there whether it fit the story or not, and eventually just lost the plot completely and kept padding endlessly to avoid getting to the end that no longer fit the story I'd ended up telling.

Except I didn't actually put spacefrakking, One True Love snake gods and misogynist Hello Kitties in there, so yay me.
I was just having much the same conversation with infinitewhale about the comics. I'd forgotten until today that I posted much the same theory back in Sept on 's DW, but now I've actually read enough fic to be pretty certain about my theory. (Has anyone else in fandom suggested it?)

I feel sorry for shippers waiting for Joss to "make things right" and confirm that Buffy is going to end up with one vampire or another because that's not what he does, certainly not in the Buffyverse. I don't see that ever happening to anyone's satisfaction.

Because I can't believe the writers involved at DH are just that - amateurish? Surely not.

and eventually just lost the plot completely and kept padding endlessly to avoid getting to the end that no longer fit the story I'd ended up telling.

I did the same thing with a Moulin Rouge fanfic I was writing years ago. I filled up notebooks with this stupid "epic" when I could have been writing drabbles and ficlets because I was trying to fit everything that popped into my head into the "plot". Fiction really isn't my forte.

Except I didn't actually put spacefrakking, One True Love snake gods and misogynist Hello Kitties in there, so yay me.

For which we your readers are eternally grateful, O Wise and Merciful One!
You know you can set up your DW to automatically cross-post everything to LJ, right? People can then comment in both places. And then later on, you can import copies of all your LJ comments to DW, so you have everything in one place. (You can also set it up so that anyone who comments on your LJ is forwarded to your DW, but a lot of people on LJ harbor irrational hatred of DW and will get cranky when you do that.)
No I didn't know that, thank you!. I'm looking at my DW account settings now and have found the page tab to do that.

I know comments don't get cross-posted, but do any photos in the posts?
I should add, I'm not seeing how to import from LJ to DW yet. Or maybe it's just easier the other way around?

Edited at 2012-12-10 07:52 pm (UTC)
What you need to do:

1. On DW, go to the main home page (http://dreamwidth.org) while you are logged in.
2. Click on Organize, then on Import Content.
3. Select the journal you wish to import to.
4. Click Start Another Import.
5. Select the service to import from.
6. Enter the journal name and password you are importing from.
7. Click Continue
8. Select the things you want to import. Some things will automatically import other things (i.e. if you import comments, it will bring the entries with them. The importer is smart; it will not duplicate entries or comments you have imported previously.)
9. Click Continue.
10. Review your data, and click Start Import.

It takes anywhere from five minutes to a couple of days, depending on how many other people are trying to import at the same time.

It's not possible to do it the other way and import DW stuff into LJ so far as I know.


Edited at 2012-12-10 10:23 pm (UTC)
Oh thank you Barb, it imported everything just now in seconds! You're the best!

the only thing it didn't import was the icons (and in fact it changed my default icon there) but no big. Everything else is there. Such a relief to know it will do the work for me.
If it's not importing icons, you might want to open a support ticket - they're really good at dealing with that stuff quickly!
DW said that I had more icons than could be imported - and since I only have the minimum here (15) they must not allow for many at all.

I've always wondered - if i got rid of an icon because I want to make room for something new (what with the 15 max), would the posts that originally had that icon be "iconless" or would the new default just take their place.

I think you're smart just to have one or two. For years I used to have just one on a Nicole Kidman forum I was part of, then I "got into" making and having new ones. It's like a disease. Or potato chips.
I've actually got more icons, I'm just too lazy to change them. I think you can buy more icon space on DW, but I've never looked into that since i have a paid account and the 100 you get with that is more than sufficient for my needs.
Yep, anything in the body of the post will cross-post except for polls. Polls crosspost a link to the poll on DW.
You can import your LJ to DW (thus starting out synchronized), then set up DW to cross-post to LJ as you go.

That way all friends can follow you in whatever forum they choose, but you only need post each thing once.

I believe there's also a way to re-import from LJ to DW later so that all comments on your journal can be gathered in one place. I haven't tried this yet: not sure what one need do in order to avoid double-importing.
The importer is smart enough not to duplicate previously imported content. You don't need to do anything special.
Ok, next question, Super Helpful Person - how do I show the link to my DW page to readers here on LJ, and vice-versa? Thanks muchly!
You can import your LJ to DW (thus starting out synchronized), then set up DW to cross-post to LJ as you go.

See, I'm still oriented to LJ, so I post there first and then realize "oops, it won't automatically cross-post as it would have if I'd started with DW." On the other hand, I haven't figured out how to add photos to the DW post I did today.

As if I need more complications, right?
Added you on DW. I don't really use that site except as a sort of LJ backup, but who knows, one of these days LJ may explode for good!

Thanks for sharing all those fic recs - they look great and I can't wait to read them.
I need to do more fic recs, definitely, and you're welcome. I also want to do a meta recs, which I don't see, or at least not as often? I opened this LJ account not because of fics but because I wanted to respond to metas, initially gabrielleabelle's.
I love Snowy's work. She's one of my favorite writers and a regular fixture on my own rec lists.


Gabrielle