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Ok, I just finished my marathon watch of Orphan Black, S1 and just a few initial thoughts.

HOLY SHIT. That's all I can say above a spoiler cut.

HOLY CHEESE ON A CRACKER.

[DO NOT OPEN UNTIL YOU'VE WATCHED S1 OK?]
When I finished the pilot my mental description was "Ringer meets Dollhouse". But a thousand times better. I've only seen Ringer, never Dollhouse, but I'm given to understand that's not an incorrect assessment. Which reminds me that there is a benefit to watching mediocre tv/movies/fics etc every once in a while - because then you appreciate the really good stuff better.

Is it just me or is the cinematography/lensing of this series amazingly gorgeous? Is this normal for tv nowadays? Are they using high tech digital? It looks like film.  (I'm not even talking about the "how did they do that?" seamless digital effects.)

I didn't think Cosima and Delphine had any chemistry whatsoever. Wasn't feeling it.  Then they kissed...hmmm, having some feelings here.

Every time I thought I couldn't say "Holy shit!" one more time, I did.

I didn't expect it to make me tear up as often as it did.

A tail? A TAIL? I could have lived without seeing that, honestlly. And the whole cutting off of said tail. It's the one effect in the series that looked unnatural to me; I could tell it was latex. A real tail would have had even fine hairs on it. Unless he gets his tail and butt waxed and that is SO NOT a thought I ever wanted to be having.

I thought Helena was crazy until Allison let Ainsley get strangled to death and walked away.  That is possibly the most disturbing thing I have ever seen on television. Maybe in anything ever.

So how do I watch S2?



This is entirely eilowyn's fault btw, which is to say she insisted I watch it and made it possible for me to do so (whilst plying me with flattery that I could not resist.) Thank you, sweetie! Now I have to go catch my breath or - plan my rewatch.
I thought Helena was crazy until Allison let Ainsley get strangled to death and walked away.
lol no one is surprised that Allison is my fave.

I use links at primewire for all my stuff. but that's probably not the safest

no one is surprised that Allison is my fave.

*lol*

Cosima is my fave because she seems like someone I'd want to hang with. Allison reminds me a leeetle too much of a certain person I live with *cough* not in terms of housekeeping but in terms of control-freakism.

That said, Allison is the one I'm the most frightened of right now. Helena's crazy is kind of predictable (and way OTT) but Allison will FUCK UP YOUR SHIT and you will never see it coming.

This needs to be an icon. or a macro. *ponders*

I use links at primewire for all my stuff. but that's probably not the safest

Thanks for the heads-up hon; I have to be careful what I download etc because this desktop belongs to my partner.

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Helena is my favourite character okay

THE TAIL!! I watched that whilst I was in hospital, and everyone else was asleep and so when I had to bite my pillow to stop myself from screaming... Well, you get the idea.

Also I do really like Cosima and Delphine, and the chemistry is kind of like a slow burn... Ugh, maybe i just have a thing about cute french girls (I blame everything on Marrion Cotillard in Nine).

((How do you feel about Paul, btw? I'm doing a survey))

S2 only premiered yesterday over here so everything is really fresh and I feel so behind because the internet is chock full of spoilers - it's only about 2 episodes ahead but that seriously matters with this show.
I think Allison is the most interesting character -- not someone I'd want to spend time with, but interesting. I love her growing friendship with Felix.

Depending on who your service provider is, you can get season 2 on BBC America on demand. Otherwise, you can pay $$ on amazon or iTunes.
I love her growing friendship with Felix.

That was one of my favorite things about the season! I knew when we first met her that any character who was such a bitch would have "layers" to quote Queen C. They reminded me of Anthony and what was her character's name Delta Burke in Designing women. Sort of. But not. If that makes sense.

I'm really enjoying the growing sense of "family" in the series, the squabbles as well as affection. I think the last five episodes made me tear up at least once per ep.

One of the things that makes Allison interesting to me is her - is "amorality" the right term? Dedicated beyond reason to neatness and order (as were the Nazis. Just sayin'), she has the ability to be compassionate with small children. Other adults? not so much. Sarah justifies a lot of shit she does but I can't see her or Cos letting Ainsley die like that.

BTW - people suffer HORRIBLY on this show.
Can't do any of it! iTunes and Amazon UK don't have stuff yet. Stupid geography. I have to wait until it premiers here in England - but thanks for trying!
THE TAIL!!

I decided to keep watching past ep 3 without my sweetie and ep 4 confirmed that was a good idea. WHOA is this show violent sometimes. If I'd been in your place I'd have been biting my pillow too. (Computer desk chairs are hell on the dentition.)

And Victor's hands - holy shit does that man suffer for his sins. I was ready to hide my eyes.

I blame everything on Marrion Cotillard in Nine).

Maybe that's who the actress reminds me of (Nine sucked as a movie but Marion was amazing in it).Do you know her name? I feel as though I've seen her in other things; but she also reminds me of an actress I watched in the - 1970's? '80's?

I think part of my resistance to Cos and Delphine was Cos "suddenly" being attracted to this person - like Buffy "suddenly" attracted to Angel; which is how it happens in real life (speaking from experience) but in a show I need them to build up to it and sell it to me.

BUt also Delphine seemed impossibly lovely compared to Cosima who is pretty but - I had the reaction when I watched the movies where the ordinary looking male geek gets the impossibly pretty girl.

Except in this case, the "ordinary looking geek" is a woman. So that subverts the trope already. It was the scene where they kissed that did it to me though. I think Delphine with very little makeup and her flaws visible in the bright sunlight...I don't know, suddenly I was sold.

((How do you feel about Paul, btw? I'm doing a survey))

When he was gripping Sarah's hand in Olivier's office and very affection after she saved him, I was like, girlfriend, this one's gonna be clingy. Bored, now.

Honestly, I think as with Cos and Delphine it's neat that they reverse the trope - ordinary looking female, extraordinarily handsome guy. And I loved that Sarah initiated sex - HOT SHOWER SEX IS HOT.

But beyond that, I have no feelings about him. He seems to be there to do whatever the plot requires. Make up your mind which side you're on dude. Whether he lives or dies is of no interest to me whatsoever.

the internet is chock full of spoilers

I'm trying to avoid BBC America's site, for one. (The relationship of Sarah, Cosima and Allison was actually spoiled for me after the end of the pilot by BBC America's own damn preview/advert afterwards. Nice job fucking up your own stuff, dudes!)

it's only about 2 episodes ahead but that seriously matters with this show.

RIGHT? I watched eps 4-10 today and my stomach was twisting the entire time.
The actress who plays Delphine is Evelyne Brochu, and she totally reminds me of a blonde Marion - who also kills it in Midnight in Paris, which again, isn't the BEST film. I think Nine has a bit of charm though, mostly because casting Fergie as the prostitute was a genius move. That whole scene (other than the bits with Marion) is pretty much my favourite part.

But I think I've found where we're gonna differ. I think Tatiana is really pretty, and the guy that plays Paul? UGH, NO. Just no. He has what I think of as "American Handsome" - almost all leading guys, or at least Love Interests in American TV have the same burly body, all triangles and rectangles, furrowed brow, cropped hair and "smoldering gaze", i.e. David Boreanaz, Brett Dalton, Cory Montieth. Compared to the "English Handsome" - our leading guys are often all limbs and cheekbones, floppy hair and perfect skin, we have the slightly awkward looking guy as the standard archytype - think Matt Smith, David Tennant, Benedict Cumberbatch etc. I usually prefer the latter in guys. I can be swayed, though. Obviously this is a big generalisation, but I think you get the idea? (OTOH Idris Elba is black, muscular and a little bit smoldering and I fancy the hell out of him, so there's that).

But taking that out of the equation I just see him as a manipulative piece of crap. I don't trust him at all and though I certainly believe he can (perhaps has) fallen for Sarah, it's not enough to make me think he's not a creep.
But I think I've found where we're gonna differ. I think Tatiana is really pretty, and the guy that plays Paul? UGH, NO. Just no.

Where you and I are going to differ? HUH? Um - honey, you do remember I'm a lesbian, right? That I'm looking at the ladies in the first place? I don't tend to "go" for guys in general but Paul? Oy vey. You described him perfectly - he's sort of Riley, but more so if that makes sense? And you know how I feel about Riley. I do like DB on Bones because there is a comfort level for me there in terms of his presence; I also like Miguel Ferrer's (Crossing Jordan) presence, his "sexy ugly" quality as Garret Macy.

I don't like Benedict Cumberbatch on Sherlock because I don't like the character at all. I can crush on Ewan McGregor's smile, and on Richard Gere's smile (they both have lovely smiles, especially for men. If that makes sense.) I am rarely attracted to male actors or male characters. I just don't swing that way.

Basically when Paul started leaning suddenly against Sarah like some little kitten in that one episode and holding her hand in that one ep (like ALL OF THE SUDDEN) I'm like, oh please. *eyeroll* I'm definitely bored with the "switching sides ever 30 seconds" game.
Season 2 Episode 1
Season 2 Episode 2
(You'll have to wade through lots of ads - no, you don't need to download, repair, upgrade anything - but Project Free TV is pretty reliable).

AND THAT TAIL!!!

I'm so glad you enjoyed it! It honestly is the best lady-centric thing I've seen since Buffy (I personally think it's a little better than Veronica Mars because TATIANA MASLANY). Season 2 is just as jaw-dropping, though it's a little harder because I'm watching it on a week-to-week basis instead of binge-watching. If you'd rather do that, maybe wait until the season's over, but if you NEED TO SEE IT NOW, I'll find you links as the episodes come out. I'm good at that kind of stuff.
THANK YOU SWEETIE! You are a goddess.

but if you NEED TO SEE IT NOW, I'll find you links as the episodes come out. I'm good at that kind of stuff.

You really don't think I'm gonna wait, do you? Not now for crying out loud. They just have to be "safe" sources" that don't mess up my sweetie's new desktop - I can always pay for episodes as baudown mentioned, if push comes to shove.

It's interesting that I caught little details that occured in Ringer, like the scar as an identity giveaway; but everything is thousands of times better. (THE CINEMATOGRAPHY.)Did you know that the original concept for Ringer was for the entire season in only 10-12 episodes as with OB, but I think the network ordered 22 and they had to stretch it out? (Which explains the "sag" mid-season.)

It honestly is the best lady-centric thing I've seen since Buffy (I personally think it's a little better than Veronica Mars because TATIANA MASLANY).

I cannot disagree with this. At some point I forgot I was watching the same actress in every role. Especially when Sarah and Helena have scenes together. And Cos is such a "complete" character to me - every little mannerism feels right.

I can't believe all the time I wasted watching Bones in comparison. Ugh.
Oh and one more thing - is it funny that there is a lot of violence and relatively little sex (but what sex there is, is generally initiated by the female characters? There's a sex positivity that is very "unamerican". EVERYONE is having sex, male, female, queer, straight.)
There's a sex positivity that is very "unamerican".

Those crazy Canadians! Messing with our Puritanical morals!
Those crazy Canadians! Messing with our Puritanical morals!

I mean, they've got male AND female posterior nudity! Gay men and lesbians! Dear god, protect the children!

Actually the only people who aren't "getting any" pretty much are Art and Angie. Speaking of....notice how Art asked if she'd ever fought with a woman and she said "For business or pleasure?" and I thought, ok, gay now. But it's a pretty subtle way to do it (it would fly straight over the heads of a lot of people I know) and no one makes a big deal of it. And her quip is one I might make in the same situation.

Ok, compare that to the way they handled a certain character's orientation in Ringer - the old "Gasp! surprise! what a shock!" bullshit. The way it handled that and the rape/sexual harrassment accusation storyline was horribly regressive and NOT OF THE GOOD. I don't know if that's typical of US television because I don't watch enough to be able to say. (The Crazy Ones also used lesbianism as "the joke" for an episode. Christ, Sarah, Tara and Willow broke ground TEN years ago, and you were so cool about Buffy sleeping with another girl in the comics. You're better than this. Queer as Folk was ten years agoi. Come on, people.)

Bones pulled the same shit a la "sudden lesbianism for sweeps week" and that was before it crash-landed at the bottom of the well.
You mean Buffy/Satsu wasn't "sudden lesbianism for sweeps week?" I kinda thought that was more of a publicity stunt, like the abortion that wasn't - Joss gets his pat on the back from the feminists, but doesn't go through with it because Buffy gets a bad case of being a robot.
You mean Buffy/Satsu wasn't "sudden lesbianism for sweeps week?"

the gold star to you Lexi you got it in one - I totally overlooked that particular parallel when it was the same EXACT damn thing. Down to the "I'm not gay" protestations from the "bicurious" person.

**SPOILERS FOR CROSSING JORDAN**
A tactic also used in Crossing Jordan which esp sucked because 1) I'm so tired of that shit already, 2) Jordan does actually have that sort of vibe which gets remarked on in other episodes and 3) Jill Hennessey and Murial Hemingway, believe it not, had some honest-to-god chemistry in their one episode together. Way more than with the guy she ended up with. UGH
/*END SPOILERS*

But how many times have I seen the trope in the last three-four decades really? Too many to count. What was different in the comics was having "farewell" sex AFTER Buffy said "but we can't do this because I'm not gay AND everyone I love ends up getting hurt blah blah...so we should totes make love again!"

YEEEAAAAAAHHHHHH, right. Did you see the artwork for that last makeout btw? Actually really lovely - for Jeanty especially. But WHO is it for? It is meant to turn on anyone? Were the guys at DH giggling the way they were when they discussed the spacefrak?

The upside is that Satsu doesn't get killed, doesn't hang herself a la the Children's Hour, but she does disappear from the narrative. Pity.

Joss gets his pat on the back from the feminists,

Do you mean the ones who listened to his "I hate the word feminist" speech and said to themselves "Gosh darn it, he's right! We've been doing this feminism business all wrong but thank goddess he came and showed us the light!

YEEEEAAAAAHHHHHHH, right.
If you want to keep your sweetie's desktop clean, then buy the episodes for about two bucks each on iTunes or Amazon Instant.

Oh, Ringer. If only you were better.
If you want to keep your sweetie's desktop clean,

Duly noted, and thank you. (I think I can swing it. Although I just found out today that my "three day a week job" very suddenly turned into two days a week today. *le sigh* Counting chickens...)

Oh, Ringer. If only you were better.

Right?

Which is worse, a show that starts out mediocre, or the one that starts out promising and then nosedives or peters out? (I'm looking at you, Weeds)
OMG YAAAY YOU ARE DONE

QUICK, ONTO SEASON 2

Any meta thoughts? :3
Any meta thoughts? :3

I'm forming a few, actuallly, which I may put in a separate post.
*SPOILERS FOR S1*
The one that really stands out for me right now stems from Felix's line in Ep 1 about how "this could be your story" and "every kid in foster care dreams that they're special".

It turns out Sarah is very, very special. If the media knew, she'd be a sensation. But by ep 10, Sarah is calling Rachel after having watched her birth mother die and shooting her "sister" Helena "I don't want my daughter to live like this." The clones are certainly "Chosen Ones" but like Buffy, they didn't chose to be chosen, to be special in the way they are (and Allison wants nothing more than to be entirely "normal" - at first.) But like Buffy they have to make choices based on that knowledge. Are they ready to be strong?

So the season seems to say that the modern notions of "specialness" and uniqueness that we are all supposed to aspire to, the cult of the "exceptional individual" so prized post-Enlightenment era, is not all it's cracked up to be.

Nor on the other hand is Allison's rejection of specialness, her choice for "normality", which seems to be based on catalogs and adverts, on attractive surfaces but is no less sick underneath than Helena's madness, just less visibly so.

(I'm holding this in contrast to the finale of BTVS which is pushing a rah-rah community we're all in this together share power message but still upholds the notion of the the exceptional individual as the one who MUST save the day in the end and makes the efforts of the group seem unimportant.)

The theme of "chosen family" is obviously my crack. Sarah has to chose all of her family: make the choice to be a mum to Kira, chose to work with the other clones and even hug Cosima or help out Allison, Allison chosing to open up to Felix or being kind to Kira, showing up at the hospital "I can't help but feel it's my daughter" etc. The only member of Sarah's family who is a conventional blood relation is Kira (in the sense we think it).

So family is obviously very important here, but in all it's bad sides and messiness too: Helena and Sarah don't find out they are actually sister and go off singing "kumbaya" together. How do families help us, heal us, and hurt us? Sarah fantasized about finding her birth mother for years - who turns out to have been a literal empty vessel who carried her, nothing like the fantasies of "mum" while Mrs S raised her as her de facto mum. (Don't all children do that at one point or another, adopted or not?)

The fact that Sarah has a daughter, not a son - it's oftentimes a son (as it was in Ringer) who is the lynchpin or golden child (see also Harry Potter) - does Kira's gender subvert usual expectations about these kinds of stories? Daughters have so often been devalued throughout history but this little girl is very very important not just to her biological mother, but to the entire story. How will her role in the story evolve? Will she become something other than a plot device or a "damsel" however? Her interactions with both Helena and Allison suggest either a genuine wisdom/innocence that could become more important and decisive, or a mere stereotype of childhood innocence.

it's also interesting btw that mothers, biological, foster, surrogate etc are way more important than fathers. (Not once is Sarah's father mentioned by name in S1 except "it's definitely not Victor." Some guy that she dated for a while, slept with for a night? Will this be an important point later or no?)

So - yeah. Families, individualism, women as heros and villains, and choices.

I'll be interested to track how this continues or changes in the second season.
Oh, lord, you mentioned waxing.

Spent the week with my parents this week and, apparently having heard something about Orphan Black elsewhere, upon finding out that I enjoyed the series, they asked if I wanted to watch with them.

So, third rewatch, but this time I'm not alone and can't say anything or act excited when I notice something I missed before.

And when Sarah and Paul get it on the first time, my mother asks me 'what if Beth was waxed down there and Sarah isn't?'

Deep thoughts. (Though maybe somewhat of the Jack Handey variety.)
Oh, lord, you mentioned waxing.

I did? *blinks*

And when Sarah and Paul get it on the first time, my mother asks me 'what if Beth was waxed down there and Sarah isn't?'

I had to read that three times before I realized what you meant by that. OH, that kind of "waxing".....
*SPOILER FOR S1*
I'm not sure if you watched Ringer (if you haven't - you needn't bother) but OB seemingly borrows elements from it and one of them is the way Paul figures out Sarah isn't Beth - via the lack of a scar.

I think having watched Ringer first, I got out a lot of my "oh that person couldn't pull off pretending to be someone else!" disbelief watching that. Except the accent thing - that wasn't an issue so much in Ringer so I couldn't believe Sarah could completely master Beth's accent and manner of speaking PLUS mannerisms from a short video clip. Really? At least Allison has felix as her 'acting coach' later in the season!

So - who is your favorite character?
Hello there, I just marathoned all of Orphan Black with my boyfriend (included the three eps. of season 2, yay!) and I remembered you posting about it. What an awesome show (if sightly scrazy... :D )! Eheh, "Ringer meets Dollhouse" is such an apt description!
(included the three eps. of season 2, yay!)

JEALOUS!!

Seriously, how does your boyfriend like it?

Do you watch it subtitled or dubbed btw?

"Ringer meets Dollhouse" is such an apt description!

Thanks! Have you seen both series? I haven't seen Dollhouse yet. (Should I?)
While he thought the clone thing was a bit of a wacky premise and he found the villains a bit too silly - that is the evil scientists and religious fanatics (not Helena, which he loved), he really appreciated the constant tension of the series and he's in agreement with me that the actress is super talented.
We watched it with subtitles 'cause they haven't dubbed it yet. :D Actually, wikipedia tells me the first series will be shown on Italian tv around June. So I'm afraid I might have acquired the series through *cough* alternate means. (About that, do you need a link?)
I watched a bit of Dollhouse because I'm a Joss fan but, boy, was it horrible! I left it midway through the first season. Still, I understood the premise. (And I quite enjoyed Ringer, sigh...)
While he thought the clone thing was a bit of a wacky premise and he found the villains a bit too silly

Matt Frewer is interesting to me because - first of all, he was Max Headroom back in the day! (ha) But he has this wonderful smoothness and oiliness about him; he's a total politician and I can imagine a cult of personality forming around him. We see it all the time IRL.

I wasn't sure what to make of Helena at first but she's become increasingly complex and amazing on every level - if sort of the poster child for "this is how child abuse and religious fanaticism will fuck you up"

At some point I completely forgot I was watching Tatiana play all the characters and I was just watching - the characters for themselves. It stopped being a gimmick very quickly because each woman is so distinct, given so much life and personality of her own.

And also, Cosima reminds me so much of my best friend, especially in her voice. It's not often I've watched a tv show (or movie) that not only has a female protagonist and a lot of female characters, but ones that remind me of people I actually know. I think that made the entire thing easier for me to accept; Tatiana feels "familiar" somehow.

(About that, do you need a link?)

If you mean free tv or something like that no, thank you, I already have; and it's safer to use Amazon Prime or itunes anyway.

I think it's nice that you watched it subtitlted because, as I said, the sound of Tatiana's voice has a lot to do with me easing into a comfort zone with her very quickly; voices are so important, and the way each woman sounds is so important to establishing each clone. Although sometimes the various accents have been hard for me to understand! i had to watch the pilot a second time to understand half of what Sarah was saying.

And I quite enjoyed Ringer, sigh...
*SPOILERS for Ringer*
See, I enjoyed it as a guilty pleasure at first, then it sagged and I almost gave up, but then when the "evil twin" Siobhan became a more complex character and not just a cardboard villain, I got interested again and I wish they'd allowed her to be more complex from the start. Because I found her more interesting than Bridget in a lot of ways, but they also mirrored one another a lot. (SMG said in an interview that the moral ambiguity of the characters was an important part of it, that you couldn't define so neatly the Good girl/bad girl when you knew their history.) And I think it was very accurate in some of the ways that addicts behave but also the ways recovering addicts sometimes behave when they try to justify their "good deeds". Bridget has a shiny new moral compass and means well but doesn't really know how to use it yet. Siobhan was the "good girl" and clearly got tired of it, tired of having to pick up the pieces for her sister; felt the responsibility of being good but wanted to be bad, to let loose and misbehave.

And Siobhan missing her sister and wanting to forgive but unable to allow herself to do so; making steps towards goodness but not having a firm moral compass herself; and getting kicked to the curb by Henry of ALL PEOPLE - hypocrite. Bridget doing increasingly indefensible things but having awfully good reasons for doing so; wanting to get out of it, to be able to be herself and loved for herself but terrified of being rejected.

Ringer could have been SO GOOD - there was so much potential there in terms of themes.
/At some point I completely forgot I was watching Tatiana play all the characters and I was just watching - the characters for themselves. It stopped being a gimmick very quickly because each woman is so distinct, given so much life and personality of her own./ - There's a scene in the last ep. of season 1 with Helena pretending to be Sarah (before stabbing her birth mother, that is). And a few moments before the revelation I went... wait a minute, that doesn't seem like a Sarah move, looks more like an Helena one, well the actress got probably confused, with all those characters. Except, wait, look at the eyes, those are Helena's dark circles under the eyes and OMG stabbing! ...Just masterful!

/And also, Cosima reminds me so much of my best friend/ - LOL, she reminds my of my cousin, she has similar glasses/style.

/I think it's nice that you watched it subtitled because, as I said, the sound of Tatiana's voice has a lot to do with me easing into a comfort zone with her very quickly; voices are so important, and the way each woman sounds is so important to establishing each clone. Although sometimes the various accents have been hard for me to understand! i had to watch the pilot a second time to understand half of what Sarah was saying./ - I have to say, Italian dubbing is consistently excellent but there's definitely something about hearing the original actors accents and voices! ♥

/I enjoyed it as a guilty pleasure at first/ - Me too, but it grew on me and by the time the cancellation news arrived I was engrossed by it, even if I could see that the creators were writing themselves into a corner. Still, you're right, so much potential!

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Except, wait, look at the eyes, those are Helena's dark circles under the eyes

Oh yeah, that scene was VERY well played - I didn't see it coming until I did, until that close up on her face and wait a minute here....(Where did she get the wig? Who knows? Who cares? It's television!)

I have to say, Italian dubbing is consistently excellent

kikimay mentioned that to me a while back.

I think when I've seen something dubbed from English into another language part of the success for me depends on how distinct the actor's voice is. Someone like a Nicole Kidman who has at this point a very light breathy voice (she's gotten rid of most of her Aussie accent for movies) can be more easily replicated or replaced than someone a VERY distinct accent or voice like Bette Midler, for instance; when another voice comes out of her mouth it's jarring to me.

by the time the cancellation news arrived I was engrossed by it, even if I could see that the creators were writing themselves into a corner.</i. When they started making Siobhan a true co-protagonist I started to get engaged again. I was really building in my head to the moment when the sisters finally looked each other in the eye again, even if for a moment, and Bridget realized Siobhan was still alive. I thought that could have been terrific character work - AND THEY DECIDED NOT TO DO THAT. And nothing excuses elements like the "false rape accusations" or the "shocking evil lesbian /bisexual plot device". JUST NO. I keep hoping for something better for Sarah but The Crazy Ones isn't it either.