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I FINALLY finished my Top Five Buffy & Tara fics rec list at Buffyverse Top 5! (Whew!)

ETA: According to yourlibrarian the Buffyverse Top 5 ends at 6pm EST in the US on Jan. 19th.

Took me three or four days to write this post celebrating my favorite friendship and non-canon OTF(amily). Not, mind you, three to four days sitting 8 hours straight at the computer, of course (more like, sit down, get up to do something, write a little more, go run errands in town, add another link, suddenly realize I'm hungry, come back and realize I'd added 6 stories, agonize over the descriptions, cook dinner, hit post. You know how it is...right?)




"Tara, did you check out these stories?"
"I told you there are people in fandom who love us just for ourselves, sweetie."

Every time I got on the computer to continue writing I'd peek nervously at the BT5 home page in case someone else did a post on the subject before I finished or rec'd the stories I planned to; because in this instance I literallly had five and only five stories on my list. Buffy and Tara friendship (or even B/T ship fics) are one of THE hardest things to find in this fandom. And the only reason I even had five on my list was because punch_kicker15 rec'd new-to-me author elviswhataguy and literally saved my biscuits.

So, no one in swooped in before me, thank goodness; nor has anyone else done a "5 female-centric fics by clockwork_hart1" rec list. SHE'S MINE AND YOU CAN'T HAVE HER, PEOPLE. (I am, however, willing to share her on alternate Tuesdays.) No one else has done another meta list or an art list or...anything, actually, since rebcake posted her AO3 list on Sunday...three days ago.

Not that I'm trying to be a nag or anything, folks but....oh who the hell am I kidding? Ask my sweetie, she'll tell you: I AM an old-school nag and yes, I am nagging you right here and now. (A gal's gotta play to her strengths.)

DON'T LET BT5 DIE OUT! I need recs, lots of recs! Art, icons, fics, vids, essays! Show me stuff I haven't seen before, introduce me to people and to corners of fandom I didn't know existed. Show me that buffyverse fandom is about more than just "shipping" (romance, porn, whathaveyou.) Remind me of the richness of this verse as well as the unrealized posssibilities. Tell me something I don't know. Surprise me. Celebrate your favorite people and things - pimpage (aka "love") is what makes the fandom go 'round.

How else do you think I'm going to fill my empty hours and hone my talent for endless procrastination this year?

And if you won't do it for me, then, um....think of the children?
I will try and compile a new list tomorrow. I've loved yours!


Gabrielle
I have a couple of lists to do. I just can't find the time to sit down and do them.
I enjoy BT5 as well and look forward to the recs.

How much longer is the current round going to go on for?
The current round goes until Jan 19th - I meant to mention that in my post.

I'm not sure exactly what time it ends - the mods run on GMT - Greenwich mean time; the conversion charts I've tried to use are confusing but there seems to be a 7 hour difference from EST. I've just asked the mods and will get back on that. (The Oct classic round I waited until the last minute and missed it because didn't pay attention to time zone differences.)

I don't have anything to rec (because I am woefully absent from fandom lately) but your rec post reminded me! so I wrote you a part two to 'blurring the lines' and we will never, ever speak of your compliments because I will cry and I hope you like it - it's a present.

<333
but your rec post reminded me! so I wrote you a part two to 'blurring the lines' and we will never, ever speak of your compliments because I will cry and I hope you like it - it's a present.

I just left you a longish review and THANK YOU! Yes, it's a wonderful gift (I think of it as such) and just - AGH. THE FEELS YOU GIVE ME. THE FEELS.

And I didn't mean to make you cry but I'm glad to know that what I said was ok (I was really worried my comments were "off" somehow because your fics are so hard to describe in any conventional way.)
I would never, ever place myself in the ranks of Virginia Woolf - so yes tears are a thing that happened.

You are too sweet to me.

Also: I totally get it. I wouldn't know how to describe it in a post like that, either ;)

because your fics are so hard to describe in any conventional way
I laugh in the face of prose... and grammar.... and English construction altogether. Pesky damn language.


I laugh in the face of prose... and grammar.... and English construction altogether. Pesky damn language.

I remember one of my English teachers in high school saying I had an "excellent command of the language" and that puzzled me in a way; one the one hand I prided myself on being articulate but I got one of my worst grades ever in english grammar. All those terms flew right over my head as if I'd missed chunks of the class and I attended every day without fail.

I wouldn't know a dangling participle if it slapped me on the fanny.
I wouldn't know a dangling participle if it slapped me on the fanny.

This is both hilarious and true (of me). I don't worry about grammar so long as the words seem to flow in such a way that the story I want to be told gets told. Spelling and punctuation (when I can remember) are one thing, but as long as the words are all in the same tense I'm happy with the grammar.

I've always had a way with words, though; an affinity for language and making things sound quite musical. So I basically think that the first rule of writing is there are no rules. (Now cross your 'i's and dot your 't's, kids)

If you like the way it sounds, go with it.

(That's what I do)
If you like the way it sounds, go with it.

(That's what I do)


I think we have an affinity for language, so we're off to a good start right there; it's as if the rules are - they don't mean anything, if that makes sense? It's like, I can't write a list of my "top ten" list of favorite btvs episodes, or top ten albums; I don't do classification well. I know rhythm, and worry about grammar mainly in terms of when I am aware that flow, clarity and meaning have been impeded; when something jumps out at me when it feels as though it shouldn't.

But at the same time we HAVE to have some foundation in the "rules" - so we can use or disregard them to suit our purposes.

(Now cross your 'i's and dot your 't's, kids)

Also I before E except after...but no that's spelling not grammar. See? Hopeless.

Tense is one of the hardest things to master in creative writing.
I think the old adage is true, learn the rules, master the rules, break the rules. I think you can only disregard the things if you know why they work (cause then you also know why they don't). I think the fact that I'm also a bit of a poet makes things different. I care more about the way it flows and what it evokes than anything technical, but I'm always adamant it makes sense. So either I work in a particular way, or I'm a hypocrite. Not sure...

Tense has never actually bothered me. Not really. It's only a problem when I decide to change the tense (which I do far too often to keep my sanity) and have to go back through it and make corrections. I also change povs a lot, which makes everything confusing. I do make note of it, usually, but it's especially difficult when the characters have similar voices. In the story I'm writing with the sisters, even though they do think differently, they have a lot of similarities which makes finding originality in their chapters is difficult.

I could talk about writing forever.

I think you can only disregard the things if you know why they work (cause then you also know why they don't)

I think I need to amend my earlier statements because I just read brutti_ma_buoni's WAY too modest post about how she got into fanfiction writing and before she tried her hand at it she wasn't a writer (so she says) and is a practical not creative person (so she says);
http://brutti-ma-buoni.livejournal.com/407247.html?view=3619791#t3619791
and there is something to be said for not starting out with a suitcase full of rules drilled into your head by teachers and habits you've may need to break.

I think most writers learn more from just reading other writers than anywhere else, just as copying other artists is a foundation practice for visual artists. You learn the "rules" what works and what doesn't even if you don't know the "academic" jargon.

I think the fact that I'm also a bit of a poet makes things different. I care more about the way it flows and what it evokes than anything technical, but I'm always adamant it makes sense

Years ago I wrote some fairly good poetry long before I wrote any decent prose, and poetic prose (or prose-poetry) still appeals to me as a reader. I admire writers who can carry the qualities of poetry into prose, convey a sense of "flow" and rhyhm, and make every single word count.

And your problems are my problems (and fairly common anyway I think). POV shifts? Yeah, how many times have I wanted to shift mid-passage and just jump from one person's head to another. I see that all the time as a reader and unless it's been consistently throughout it drives me crazy.

And tense shifts - as in, not doing it - are just a nightmare. Esp if I'm writing fast.

it's especially difficult when the characters have similar voices. In the story I'm writing with the sisters, even though they do think differently, they have a lot of similarities which makes finding originality in their chapters is difficult.

Oh yeah, this. The post-Chosen fic I've got in my notebooks focuses on Buffy, Dawn, Faith and Willow (to a lesser degree) plus Giles. By the end of the series especially, their voices (esp Buffy, Dawn, Willow) become more "similar" as they become adults, less catch-phrases and so forth. And Buffy and Dawn definitely have some similarities; it's easier to write one of them speaking to Giles, say, than the two of them in conversation either with each other or in groups (duh, right?). Going back into early-seasons Willow-speak or Buffy-speak can be tempting.

And that's without the problem of same gender characters, as with your sisters; and you have to figure out if it makes sense without saying "Dawn said..." and "Buffy said..." every time; and will the reader understand which "she" you're referring to?
Oh my God, you! I love you! You realise this, yes? *Hugs you so hard*

Thank you so much for putting a story of mine in the Bt5. I'm so happy that the response has been so warm to all the Buffy and Tara stuff. It needs to be recognised by fandom for being the amazingly perfect thing it is.(a great idea for a rec list, Sweetie)

Then you said this:
SHE'S MINE AND YOU CAN'T HAVE HER, PEOPLE. (I am, however, willing to share her on alternate Tuesdays.)
and I died. Don't you worry, I'll never let them take me from you. And I most certainly don't deserve a rec list devoted to my stuff. Not when there are so many other authors in the fandom doing what I do even better (but my God am I touched. I think there's something in my eye)

I've been meaning to make a list myself, but turns out, moron that I am, I haven't saved anything to my bookmarks this year (though I did have some on my OLD phone. Bugger) so its damn near impossible. Sigh.

Life is hard when you do stupid things.


Did you see that brutti_ma_buoni just posted a Tara & Dawn fic as a prezzie for eilowyn? http://brutti-ma-buoni.livejournal.com/405154.html?view=3588770#t3588770

I most certainly don't deserve a rec list devoted to my stuff.

YES YOU DO. - *channels Buffy in "Anne" * - BECAUSE I SAID SO ;)

I haven't saved anything to my bookmarks this year

dragonyphoenix asked the mods about that and they said that you can have a list even if you don't have direct links - links are encouraged of course but if you have title and author's name and a summary that's ok. (Have you googled the things you have in mind?)

I lost my bookmark for a video about Tara's childhood on YouTube myself but I can't find it anywhere via google or tag words etc on YouTube. tis sad. As with fics there are so few Tara fics just about her, not Willow/Tara.




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The fic is perfect. Perfectly perfect.

Have you googled the things you have in mind?

And herein lies my dilemma. I have the memory of a gnat and can't remember half of what I've read and seen and adored this year. I mean, okay, I've had a whole lot of stuff on my mind, but still. *Curses brain* (the funny thing is I retain information really well usually and I can recite passages from books I love as well as film/television and music, I can remember most of what I learned in school - but not my Dad's birthday. Oops. Shows how deviated my mind has been, I guess)

And that video sounds SOO good. If you find it, give me the link, okay?

Edited at 2014-01-09 10:31 pm (UTC)
I have the memory of a gnat and can't remember half of what I've read and seen and adored this year.

You probably have a perfectly normal human memory - which is NOT the memory of a computer. Our brains now process thousands of pieces of information in a day - perhaps an hour - we were not meant to have SO MUCH information thrown at us. It's impossible to store it all. (IMHO)

I cannot tell you how often I've read a meta or story "for the first time" and then realized I'd already read and commented on it, sometimes only a few months ago. It happens ALL THE TIME with me and I doubt I'm really that unusual. (So I like to tell myself.)

Oh definitely I will pimp that vid all over the place as soon as I find it again. You'll love it. (Maybe I'll include a request tomorrow in a post. Someone else knows it, I can't even remember if someone rec'd it or I found it on my own.)
At the risk of sounding pretentiously sciencey, I do believe that the human brain has a far higher capacity to retain knowldge than a computer, but on the other hand, we put ourselves at risk of overloading them. It's like Sherlock Holmes said, about keeping your mind a tidy and organized place (and delete anything you don't need - which I wish were easier)

Thing is, like I said, I usually have a really good retention. I can remember things incredibly easy. Random facts especially, like when I hear an answer on one quiz show, I'll get it right on another. And I can learn the tune and. The chorus of a song easily from fist listen. I think I'm just a bit scatty lately (which makes sense, what with the sickness)

But the memory has always been the same.. I was always gifted at school because of it, and no one else could comprehend how I knew so many things from such a broad spectrum. It's not exactly normal. But it's served me well.

And I really hope you do find that video, it sounds wonderful and I'm all excited!
At the risk of sounding pretentiously sciencey, I do believe that the human brain has a far higher capacity to retain knowldge than a computer, but on the other hand, we put ourselves at risk of overloading them.

I think Buffy and the Buffybot make a handy case-in-point here: Buffybot (the computer) can probably store more discrete pieces of information and pull them out of its memory banks quickly, but unlike Buffy it cannot weave those bits together to create context and new meanings. it lacks intuition, creativity, flexibilty; and it can prioritize only in terms of it's programming. (Garbage in...)

Buffy and Tara had an amazing friendship ... that should have been explored more and been allowed to deepen furter on the show. Yes, I have a couple of fics where her support is part of what keep's Buffy going.

She was an amazing lady.
Buffy and Tara had an amazing friendship ... that should have been explored more and been allowed to deepen furter on the show.

Absolutely, and as I said, it's all right there. I don't have to make it up. But in the end, she was a plot device for the writers after all; she's only mentioned in S7 in terms of how her death affected Willow. What happened to the connections between her and Buffy and Dawn? OTOH I'm grateful for what we did get esp in S6. (I love her comforting Buffy in DT and protecting Buffy and Willow SO much in OAFA. SO MUCH. This probably isn't popular to say but the way she cockblocks Spike over and over with so much wit and style makes me laugh so much. Do NOT underestimate this woman.)

I have a couple of fics where her support is part of what keep's Buffy going.

Really? Hmmm......more is always to the good.

Now here's where I'm really going to get myself in trouble because this has been on my brain lately and I don't know how you feel about this: one of the things that's important to me in these fics is that Tara is true to canon in terms of how she relates to Buffy and Dawn: she's not a "Spuffy" for instance, at least NOT in S6, nor is she Spike's BFF because that's not what's happening on the show, that's not accurate characterization. In other words, I look for fics that don't throw the two women's friendship under the bus for the sake of the guy.

If that was something I saw occasionally I wouldn't mind so much but it seems to be the prevalent way of viewing the three of them. And it's an extreme reading of the text.

It also frustrates me that there is tons of Spike & Tara, Buffy & Spike, some Spike and Joyce and TONS of Spike & Dawn; but almost no Buffy, Joyce, Tara, Dawn. (Very little of Dawn and/or Tara's grief and trauma after the Gift for instance, even in terms of the mindwipe in Tara's case.) The women only relate to (and elevate) the man, and don't relate to each other.

Which is why I love your multifandom icons that celebrate women. Even if I'm not familiar with the 'verse (Voyager for instance) I just love that they exist.

Edited at 2014-01-09 08:21 pm (UTC)