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New Faith/Fuffy icon - it was time (in which I blather, excessively)

When I realized that:
1) Buffy, Faith and/or Buffy/Faith (I can go either way) was starting to take up major real estate in my brain, my fanfic and in my
    fandom conversations;
2) I can't decide from one day to the next which Summers sister I 'ship with Faith (I can go either way)
3) Buffy+Dawn+Faith+Tara = One True Family could totally be a thing in fandom;

...then it was way past time to get a new icon.

A.) Somewhere on the internet I saw an icon of Faith in Buffy's body in Who Are You, stroking Buffy's leg (now her own) in the bathtub with the text "Tell me again why Fuffy isn't canon?" (eleusis_walks's meta on Faith and Buffy describes the "masturbatory" nature of that scene. Tell us again why Fuffy isn't canon, Mr Whedon?) ETA: Mystery solved : it's beer_good_foamy's. Of course.

[Icons after the cut - wanna be seduced?]

I haven't found that icon again but I came across a trove of Buffy/Faith icons on the "Fuffy fanclub"  at Fanpop.com. All of them were posted by a member named AcidBanter by the source is only given as "LiveJournal"; so I suspect that AB isn't the original artist.

My apologies therefore and if anyone here does know, please let me know so I can give proper credit.

I wanted to go with #2, "WIll fuck with your sexual orientation" or one of the funny ones with text to start, but my template shrinks the icons too much and I have this bizarre kink about legibility. It's a thing.(#3 's "subtext" is just barely legible in this template.) I may end up rotating all of these anyway, thanks to elisi's instructions on how to do that by using the exact same keywords for the new icon as the one it replaces.


1.)  2.) 3.) 4.) 5.)

BTW, I haven't rewatched S3 in over a year btw so I'd forgotten how pretty Eliza was that season - and can anyone tell me what the what is going on in #8 below?

6.) 7.) 8.) 9.) 10.)

B.) Now this is the sad part: Because I'm limited to 15 icons, someone else had to get booted off the island. And y'all know I love my babies something fierce. *sniffle* This is where I needed to be strong and decisive. Most of my icons were DO NOT TOUCH just TRY to pry them out of my hot little hands and behold the meaning the word "fierce". That left four candidates:
[Alas my darling, I must bid thee farewell...]

I've used this one to represent: Lesbianism, friendship and/or solidarity, proof on Willow-centric journals that I don't hate Willow; and that moment is one of my favorite moments in the entire series. CHILLS UP MY SPINE every time I watch it.
BTW - the W/T "spiritual handfasting" will be echoed by B/S in Chosen, and perverted by Glory in Tough Love. Speaking of which, check out clockwork_hart1 tribute fic to Tara's bravery and sacrifice in TL, "Shadows and Light". (Read it now and thank me later.)

Extremely useful for obvious reasons, and cute besides. Everyone needs a "huh"? or WTF? icon.

Do I really need another image from "Showtime"? Probably not. But it's useful for "fierce and determined" (as opposed to "extremely pissed off"). Buffy's the hand: when she sets out to get something done, shit gets done.
Also useful for "I have a lot of love for S7 despite the flaws";  "I actually do sorta-kinda think her wounds are a little sexy even if I'm too chicken-shit to admit it"; And of course: "Buffy is my Hero damn it! And she's the protagonist of the Buffyverse! Ergo it is my sworn duty to remind fandom of this fact every once in a while." (Believe me now and thank me later.)

Which leaves me with:

I know, sweetie, I know - it hurts me too. *sobs quietly* But it's the icon I probably use the least, and comlodge 's original artwork will always have pride of place on my Welcome post. (Don't mind me, I'll be all righ...*curls up in fetal position and sobs loudly*)
I think there's a lot of canon support for some attraction between those two. I really do.

Sorry about your having to practice tough love on your icons.



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I think there's a lot of canon support for some attraction between those two. I really do.

Oh yeah. I've read that someone pointed out the subtext to Joss and he decided to tone it down, or that Sarah and Eliza really played up the attraction esp re: Bad Girls. (The heart drawn on the window? No subtext here folks.)

It interesting to speculate how much is intentional or not but in the end I don't really care; it's what's onscreen that's important. And there is so much there there.

Sorry about your having to practice tough love on your icons.

*lol* Yes I've quite recovered now, thank you! It's funny though how hard that is - this is what happens when I'm underemployed; I agonize over foolish things too much!
Gosh. I have a few icons and a rather pretty one blondebitz made for me but I still mostly always stick to warrior woman. I never recognise me if I use any others. Love seeing others though and how clever they can be.

Very pretty faith icons - not having watched any of S3 I'm not really up on her story with Buffy and I simply have not read any fem slash other than a little of valyssia's who by the way, is a most marvellous writer. Just not interested in that genre which is so wierd because I always thought I had tendencies that way. Oh well, each to our own I guess and because I'm Spike obsessed I guess I rarely read anything that does not feature him.
I saw you using another icon a couple of times and didn't recognize you at first! *LOL* Ten+ years ago when I was nto (Moulin Rouge/Nicole Kidman fandom) I had one icon for ages because I liked being "identifiable". then I actually starting making them and that was all she wrote, folks.

not having watched any of S3 I'm not really up on her story with Buffy

You've mentioned that before (are you TRYING to wring my heart in your hands and toss it on the ground like a wet rag? Cruel Mistress. *LMAO*) Srsly, you know what I'm going to say. I wasn't "into" the idea of a show set in high school myself, and that kept me from watching it for over ten years. Silly me.

But I can be patient. ;)

Just not interested in that genre which is so wierd because I always thought I had tendencies that way.

Honey, I AM a lesbian, full-stop, and I not only read but I write more fic with hetero pairings than not. Which should be really weird, right? I think there's something about rahirah's theory about her own writing, that writing a lesbian pairing is "too close to home"? Or maybe it has as much to do with the fact that I have so few (read: almost no) templates for f/f. I didn't grow up reading it or watching it on tv.

I've noticed that the folks in this fandom who write f/f - and very good at that - are male, female, gay, straight, bi, whatever. kervik writes (non-explicit) f/f almost exclusively, and marvelously so.

I rarely read anything that does not feature him.

To each our own as you say. I read Buffy&Spike almost exclusively for the longest time, but I'm starting to branch out because one pairing all the time gets dull, like eating steak or salmon EVERY single night for dinner. I want a good story, good writing.

I don't ship Buffy/Giles f.ex. but il_mio_capitano writes the most amazing B/G fics because she writes very perceptively about the characters and their dynamic, how they interact in ways that are still true to canon and she avoids the tropes and cliches. http://capitano-fic.livejournal.com/ But it's taken forever for me to dip into it because I "don't ship them."

The same with Buffy/Angelus, but leni_ba's Courting Sin 'verse is wonderful.

Somewhere on the internet I saw an icon of Faith in Buffy's body in Who Are You, stroking Buffy's leg (now her own) in the bathtub with the text "Tell me again why Fuffy isn't canon?"

Aaah, one of my proudest creations. And apparently not tagged since I couldn't find the original post right now, so I had to pilfer it back from deird1, who uses it a lot. Here you go:



(And yes, when I first posted it, I did get a couple of comments from people since drifted away from my flist telling me in quite serious tone that they were NOT canon and they had NOTHING like that and blah blah blah.)

I do love that series, though. I think there's at least one more - that scene from FH&T where Joyce opens the door on Buffy and Faith, with the caption "Hey. I'm banging your daughter."

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Goodies.

They're pretty as hell....just felt like saying so....and I totally understand the real-estate of the brain being soaked up by this. Never fear that you are alone...lol
Re: Goodies.
They're pretty as hell.

Oh goodness yes...(damn S3 Bangel angst for taking up so much room in the season.)


YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! I love this post. Buffy/Faith is my fave ship in the Buffyverse and maybe my favourite ship of all time and I am SO INTO LJ icons (witness my having almost 200 slots because I shell out for them).

I like #5 best (I'm crude, and they're both so ridiculously pretty) although #6 is also adorable. I love #8 MASSIVELY (oh, Faith, my darling! *sobs*) but you know. The only thing better than a Faith icon is a Faith/Buffy icon.

Given the givens, I think you should drop the fourth.
I love this post.

Thanks, hon! (And I worried I'd be babbling to myself.)

I'm crude, and they're both so ridiculously pretty

Not crude at all - they are so pretty. I love all the ones with text in them, they make me giggle, esp 1 & 2. I won't shell out money to LJ just for more icons, so it's 15, alas. Otherwise I'd grab them all.

I think you should drop the fourth.

I can only use one of them at a time (unless I switch to all B/F, which isn't happening) - why don't you like #4, perchance? It amuses me in part because of the resemblance to Buffy and Spike in Becoming (the black stocking cap etc), which supports my theory that Fuffy is Spuffy without the sex (darn it.)
I always feel I can get behind Faith/Buffy. They are made of sexy.

Sorry that you had to lose an icon today.
They are made of sexy.

Right? Sarah and Eliza have fantastic chemistry even in S7, and Faith has a much bigger impact on Buffy's story and the show in general than her actual screentime would indicate.

And there's so many layers. Does Faith want to be "with" Buffy, as a lover or a sister - Joyce is probably the first adult who's been kind to Faith - or "be" Buffy? I think a bit of both and all of it.

Sorry that you had to lose an icon today.

Heh. It's actually a win for me. Glass half full and all that jazz!
As far as I'm concerned, Buffy & Faith DID have some sort of (initially reluctant?) sexual attracti-question something going on. It's "canon," but it's purely (mostly) subtext so that it can be interpreted any way you want. For example, you might watch one scene and think Faith is trying to draw Buffy out of the closet; someone else might watch one scene and think Faith is trying to get Buffy to literally hang out with her in her closet, but without clothes; yet another person might watch one scene and think Buffy is attracted to Faith and too firmly hetero to do anything about it . . . and all of those scenes can be the exact same scene, and all three of those people can be completely correct.

Also, I don't know why they're touching each other like that, but I believe No. 8 is from 3x7, "Revelations," the one with Faith's evil female Watcher.

Speaking of Buffy & Faith, I'm surprised you don't have an icon from "Bad Girls." Their dance at The Bronze is one of the sexiest scenes in the series.

I love your Willow/Tara icon! I used to have one just like it!

In conclusion, I thoroughly enjoyed this post.
someone else might watch one scene and think Faith is trying to get Buffy to literally hang out with her in her closet, but without clothes;

This comment is MADE OF WIN.

and all of those scenes can be the exact same scene, and all three of those people can be completely correct.

Exactly, which probably makes it more interesting (and fun to play with in fanfic) than if things were spelled out. (Not that that would stop anybody from seeing what they want to see.)

Re: #8 stormwreath also confirmed it's from "Revelations" upthread. I really do need to give the early seasons a rewatch.

Their dance at The Bronze is one of the sexiest scenes in the series.

You inspired me to rewatch it and, yeah - they could have let the cameras run longer (a lot longer *ahem*). There was an icon from that scene on fanpop.com but I wasn't enamored of it; it was too dark. (I've seen better ones here on LJ but not recently.)

In conclusion, I thoroughly enjoyed this post.

*passes plate of cookies* Aw, thanks for stopping by and commenting hon; I aim to please!
I really must get back to my re-watch. I am 100% Spuffy ... so it means that the other cahracters begin to lose their impact. I have re-seen season 1, and enjoyed learning about them again. These Faith pictures are re-inspiring me.
I wish my template didn't shrink all the icons slightly because your's is very pretty and simple - and even slightly shrunk I can still read the text! (Damn these aging eyes!)

I am 100% Spuffy ... so it means that the other cahracters begin to lose their impact. I have re-seen season 1, and enjoyed learning about them again. These Faith pictures are re-inspiring me.

*dusts off hands* Then my work here is done! *LOL*
Actually you're one-up one me. I've rewatched episodes in the early seasons but not rewatched all the way through, so good on you.


And the Fuffy ship sails itself once more! *CCC* Yay!
The icons are gorgeous and funny. I lolled at the "Subtext" one with Buffy and Faith reading something. XD

Talking about Fuffy (Or Baith. Baith doesn't sound better to you? Fuffy seems like a dog name or some kind of hoover. I don't know.) I must admit that my OTP is Buffy/Spike but I was fascinated by some pairings during the watching of the episodes (At some point, when I was younger, I even shipped Bangel and sometimes I even wrote Bangel - or, at some other point I shipped Spangel and I wrote a lot more about them) ultimately Spike/Buffy became my endgame for different reasons.

BUT, but, but.

Faith and Buffy together are too gorgeous for words. Faith is a very sensual character and I have a huge crush on SMG - don't let me even start/don't judge me. Picturying them together is kinda hot. (Plus, know that I think about it, Faith and Buffy have totally the same Loki/Thor dynamic. And I ship Loki/Thor with the burning passion of thousand suns)
My happy (and also angsty, at times) Fuffy place is post series, when they are more wiser and Faith knows more of what it means to love someone and to sacrifice for them. And latest seasons Buffy is mothereffin' HOT. Who doesn't want to jump on that? I sure that Faith would appreciate a lot.

My motivations are shallow. I'm shallow-girl.
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Is Baith a thing in Italy? I read that as Bath at first Which is appropriate (see beer_good's icon up thread) but also - Bath, England. So it doesn't quite work in English nor does it roll off the tongue as easily!

And I'm sure Faith would appreciate your enthusiasm very much, - let your freak flag fly! - although I also ship Dawn/Faith post-series! (Buffy isn't quite sure what to make of that. (Her metaphorical sister Slayer and grandchild hooking up with her real (former Keyness) sister? Kind of a mind-fuck.)

And I definitely shipped Bangel through the end of S2. I've read people claim that Sarah and David had no chemistry but that's not what I thought at the time - admitting that doesn't tarnish my preference for Buffy&Spike!

Goodbye, Winged!Buffy, we had some good times, but you get to sit upon the top of the page, and Faith/Buffy is a needful thing of late...

Oh, and point number 3 in the intro is what I'm all about. You know that, but it IS. Fandom, you best take note, because the honorary Summers club is coming for you.

Sidetracked. Anyway, those icons are really cool! I can't pick a favourite. Nope, not happening. Too pretty. (I think I've seen the subtext one before, as well).

And Honey you recced me again! Thank you so much! I am really proud of that story, though. Tara you are all the kinds of awesome, we love you. And if I have to shove you down fandom's throat until they agree then so be it!
Faith/Buffy is a needful thing of late...

Preachin' to the choir, sister!

Fandom, you best take note, because the honorary Summers club is coming for you.

the Revolution starts here...

Thank you so much! I am really proud of that story, though.

You're welcome, and as well you should be! You've written so many I've wanted to link to - and I've noticed the Sunnydale herald has linked to your fics. Very cool. the folks there really put in a lot of major work.

And if I have to shove you down fandom's throat until they agree then so be it!

"Seduce", not "shove". Lure them in gently and get them hooked. ;)

(FYI - re: "neverland", I've tried copy-pasting and the formats won't mesh on Pages docs or google docs, so I'm retyping from scratch and making changes as I go.)
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I really, really, REALLY wish that the comics had gone with Buffy/Faith instead of Buffy/Satsu. I have nothing against Satsu, but Buffy/Faith has weight and history to it. :P
I read your comment and wondered What screened comment? Oh I have to log in to actually see it? Silly me.

Re: Buffy/Faith vs Buffy/Satsu in the comics I'm in total agreement. elisi said best in her Mind the Gaps essay/review - No Future for You only makes sense if you disregard S7. Also. Way to make Buffy as unlikeable as possible - having sex with one of her subordinates? Really? *gets stabby*

You gave me a brainwave though - Dawn/Satsu. Or Dawn & Satsu. Think about it - closer in age, both intelligent and capable (I'm talking about S7 Dawn of course - yet another missed opportunity / fuck up in the comics); Dawn's bossy like her sister but not as tightly wound, Satsu is superficially more submissive but has a steely core. They'd balance each other.

Fandom could totally make it a thing. *lol*
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