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Ethan and Eyghon and the Scythe, Oh My!

dragonyphoenix is writing a "Giles as Big Bad" fic inspired by my post on the subject back in February, when I asked if any such beast existed; since then I still have not come across any such. I still don't understand why, because the bones of the idea are all over the series. Ethan Rayne will be part of it, of course, and the jist of it is at present: Eyghon has been able to influence and corrupt Rupert over the years. Rupert's plan, as he arrives at the Hellmouth and takes over as Buffy's Watcher, is to corrupt the Slayer line by calling Eyghon down into the Scythe.

Oh yes PLEASE. I love to draw parallels and comparisons across the buffyverse seasons so bringing together the early seasons, so that aspect alone is catnip. And Ethan? The Ripper backstory? All of it was so underused in the series. Yes, I know, aimed at a teenage audience blah blah....I want this so bad you have no idea.  No pressure or anything like that.  *shifty eyes*

In terms of bringing the Scythe into the Buffyverse in earlier seasons I'm slightly reminded of leni_ba's  Buffy/Angelus AU Courting Sin 'verse, in which Angelus gives Buffy the Scythe to make her more powerful, to continue to draw her to him and make her his newest "work of art". The Scythe was dropped into S7 to make the Buffyverse match up to Joss' Frayverse, so it's a deus ex machina and it's "myth"? Pure racist crap and totally up for grabs re: rewrites.
Ah not mine, (alas) dragonyphoenix's - and velvetwhip offered excellent suggestions as well. Seriously, I've been wanting someone to write this - but did I try to write it myself? No. My brain disappoints me.

This fic is going to be a treat, though.

Edited at 2013-10-11 10:00 pm (UTC)
It probably won't be until the end of the year at least but I feel like a kid before bedtime on Christmas Eve. ("I will be patient, I will be patient...now please?")
I must be missing something. “Racist”? I’m sure there’s meaning and reasoning behind that, but it just doesn’t connect with anything I can think of. Clarification would be much appreciated.
Re: the Scythe I'm sure someone has written meta on it (perhaps Eleusis_walks, I'm away from my home puter at the moment and don't have links, but "Someone has to speak for her" is the relevant meta I believe) but basically - The "Guardian" draws on fantasies of European matriarchal "wiccan" or pagan cultures (celtic/goddess religions, etc) that were popular for a few decades (I dabbled in it in college in the '90's); the Guardian claims that she is the last of the Guardians who were around since the dawn of time - which implies that "white" homo sapiens have existed before or concurrently with humans in Africa; and in giving Buffy the Scythe she represents the "good" side of Slayer powers - white, European, female.

In contrast, in Get it Done, the Shadowmen - three African males - represent the "dark" or "bad" side of Slayer powers (the side that Buffy has feared since she was called - Nightmares); and is depicted not just as a rape of a girl by a demon but in GiD it's portrayed as the gang rape of a white girl, Buffy, who rejects the attempt to replicate the original violation of the First Slayer: "This is not the way!" (And in contrast we never actually see or hear from the First Slayer in this episode. She has no voice, no power and the white girl has to speak for her.

I don't need to recount how the fears of black men "raping our women" and "miscegenation of the races" were used as excuses for lynching black men well into the 20th century.
I have a feeling none of this ever occurred to the writers at the time - I don't think it was done on purpose at all - but I'm still amazed that not one person said "Wait a minute, is this a good idea?"

The show's record of race is not good from the beginning; but in S7 the writers seem to be making an effort to have more "diversity" onscreen; the harder they tried, the more they fucked up.
Yikes, I hope I'm not adding any pressure *shifty eyes*. I'm really not worried at all; the ideal is sterling and your writing from what I've seen is of a very high quality.
// "I see you deleted this response."//

I did? I didn't think I did - I may have inadvertently answered as "anon" or - oh never mind.

// "I like it; I'm just not used to it."//

That's what I do. ;)

I suppose it's a little bit self-serving if I were totally honest; or rather, I'm so thrilled when someone is inspired by something I said or did that I can't help wanting to share.

I really do believe though in "sharing" esp when it comes to fandom, as another way to support and encourage each other. I've seen people complain this fandom is "dying" (in comparison to what existed before); the ways I know how to help build it are posting, replying and linking to other people. It's not ALL DRAMA ALL THE TIME but I like it.
It's never truer that there's power in a name, as when LJ e-mails you to say your LJ-handle has been mentioned. lol. ;)

Really looking forward to this fic. I know dragonyphoenix by her drabbles and shorter fiction at open_on_sunday, so I'm sure this new world will be worth the read. And thank you for dropping the seed of it!

Well... back to my own re-write of S1. And to think that just 15 minutes ago, I was thinking that there were too few fics that changed canon from the start!
Actually I'm surprised you haven't before because I know I've rec'd your stories to others - or does this function only work when you're mentioned in an actual post and not in a reply? IDK. rahirah was the one who told me the function existed and how to turn it on and I admit I turned into a gleeful little girl the first time I got one of those.

And to think that just 15 minutes ago, I was thinking that there were too few fics that changed canon from the start!

There are, to be honest, and one more isn't going to change that. Or rather - I think there are too few really good or interesting ones. Or more accurately, ones that interest yours truly.

Have you read bone_dry1013's Origins/Seasons? She alters canon to depict Buffy from her calling at Hemery High and ignores most of the pre-tv series canon, includes the NAverse and the Keyverse (presence of Dawn); for the series itself she doesn't change canon though so much as go deeper emotionally or show "deleted scenes" focusing on Buffy's emotions or her relationships with her friends and Giles; she "rewrites" S1 in such a way that it is more tonally consistent with S2 and after.

I'd be up for series that rewrite the entire canon if they do it really well and don't bash Buffy or "punish" her. I've read a lot of *ahem* Spuffy fics that try to insert Spike into Buffy's life as her lover far earlier than canon - or rather, I've read a few and then gotten bored. Most of the time they don't work for me, in part because the emphasis seems to be on softness, on domesticity, on undying love, on making Buffy softer, kinder, more feminine and yielding, etc etc. And she's almost never the hero as she is in your series. Which is weird to me, to be honest.
Well, to be sincere, I'm too much of a Buffy/Angel 'shipper to get interested in much that doesn't have them as the protagonist relationship - unless I'm the one writing it, in which case all characters and most pairings are welcome! lol

I really hope that the change in the story you're rec'cing is not that Buffy does not get to be the Slayer. Because that's what I've been planning, and I'd get really bummed if someone else has written it. I'll read it after I'm done with mine, either way. I'm easily influenced, and I don't want to inadvertently steal from another S1 rewrite.

I thank you for the compliment as to Buffy's characterisation in my series. As I said, I'm all about Buffy - and Angel. The thing is, while Angel makes a good leader when pressed into it, it's not his nature. He leads if no one else will do it - or if no one else will do what he believes is right. But he does not believe in himself like Buffy always ends up doing. Buffy may make mistakes, but she knows she didn't mean to and that she couldn't have known better. Angel always blames himself, or tries to shoulder burdens that do not pertain to him. Buffy shoulders burdens she has not choice but to take on.

I hope that made sense.

That's why I LOVE writing them together. Buffy does great at the lead, and she becomes amazing with Angel's support. Because Angel is all about throwing himself on the right path, and if he doesn't believe in making things easier for himself, he has no doubts about making them easier for *others*. When Buffy doesn't have to worry about her personal life, because all is taken care for, she's this... force of nature, really. She sees, she goes, she makes things happen - and I keep seeing Angel right beside her, making sure that nothing touches her as she does her job.

At least that's my headcanon.

And when it's Angelus instead, well... he really has no regrets when it comes to making sure Buffy will stay at the top of the supernatural food chain. He has her, what other power could he need that doesn't come from being loved by the Slayer? He is a guy of simple pleasures, either with and without a soul. Just give him everything he wants, and he's happy with whatever status quo comes up.

And wow... that was quite the rant. heh.